Comments on: Intelligence Defined http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612 make it happen Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:25:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Darwin http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-8028 Darwin Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:33:10 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-8028 Do you actually think that there's a strict dichotomy between something being "independently true of human knowledge" and being "necessarily arbitrary"? It seems like, if that's your definition of arbitrary, and you're going to say that every fact, idea, and thought a human can conceive of is dependant on human knowledge, then the word 'arbitrary' isn't very useful. Do you actually think that there’s a strict dichotomy between something being “independently true of human knowledge” and being “necessarily arbitrary”?

It seems like, if that’s your definition of arbitrary, and you’re going to say that every fact, idea, and thought a human can conceive of is dependant on human knowledge, then the word ‘arbitrary’ isn’t very useful.

]]> By: Bettina http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7823 Bettina Wed, 30 May 2007 17:16:39 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7823 in other words - if you guarantee a minimum of generalized performance control and if you guarantee that grades truly indicate what they should indicate, then, a GRE is simply unnecessary. in other words - if you guarantee a minimum of generalized performance control and if you guarantee that grades truly indicate what they should indicate, then, a GRE is simply unnecessary.

]]> By: Bettina http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7822 Bettina Wed, 30 May 2007 17:14:05 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7822 oh, did I say, that here, in Germany, your hate-state, we do not make use of the GRE as an instrument of being admitted to higher education. How does that fit into your picture? The admission to an institution of higher education is based SOLELY on the grades that one has achieved in "Gymnasium" (comp. to High School) - and SINCE we still have a high predictiveness of grades here (meaning, that grade-inflation has not proceeded that far yet that an "A" is an everyday grade with no distinctive ability), one can truly rely on that measure. Once your GPA is beyond a certain cut-off, you have to wait a year, if it is even lower, you have to wait two years, and sometimes, you do not get in at all. oh, did I say, that here, in Germany, your hate-state, we do not make use of the GRE as an instrument of being admitted to higher education. How does that fit into your picture? The admission to an institution of higher education is based SOLELY on the grades that one has achieved in “Gymnasium” (comp. to High School) - and SINCE we still have a high predictiveness of grades here (meaning, that grade-inflation has not proceeded that far yet that an “A” is an everyday grade with no distinctive ability), one can truly rely on that measure. Once your GPA is beyond a certain cut-off, you have to wait a year, if it is even lower, you have to wait two years, and sometimes, you do not get in at all.

]]> By: Bettina http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7821 Bettina Wed, 30 May 2007 17:08:41 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7821 your father's humor is absolute within your ingroup, whereas the algeabraic equations are absolute well beyond that suspected in-group that selects the GRE-questions - and again, as I said, I understand your point - the group that poses the questions assumes that there is a shared pool of responses, and the more closely the target group resembles the test-constructor-group, the better the result - that's your hypothesis. But honestly - that's no explanation of your everlastingly moderate scores? How could your argument explain it? I don't see it? again - Steve - the GRE, over time and subjects, is a highly reliable and validated instrument - and I would throw my own work and career in the ditch if I would state otherwise. I may argue, as you do, the usefulness of the application of it, as well as the means of application, but I will not argue the construction of the test and the collection of items, cause that's no rocket science and in-group-selection, that's test theory and stats. your father’s humor is absolute within your ingroup, whereas the algeabraic equations are absolute well beyond that suspected in-group that selects the GRE-questions - and again, as I said, I understand your point - the group that poses the questions assumes that there is a shared pool of responses, and the more closely the target group resembles the test-constructor-group, the better the result - that’s your hypothesis. But honestly - that’s no explanation of your everlastingly moderate scores? How could your argument explain it? I don’t see it?

again - Steve - the GRE, over time and subjects, is a highly reliable and validated instrument - and I would throw my own work and career in the ditch if I would state otherwise. I may argue, as you do, the usefulness of the application of it, as well as the means of application, but I will not argue the construction of the test and the collection of items, cause that’s no rocket science and in-group-selection, that’s test theory and stats.

]]> By: steve http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7819 steve Wed, 30 May 2007 15:40:29 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7819 Bettina My point is not that they select based off of test worthiness but that the answer they select to have the closest association with the question is determined solely by their in group. In the context of what my father is saying, one can easily say that what he means is absolute in the exact same way that the basic equation 2 + 2 means 4. There can be no doubt that in both cases their meaning is absolute in identical fashion. This kind of argumentation goes back to the discussion on Pluto in which boose and Darwin argued that there is something out there that is being measured while I argued that such distinction are uniquely human and therefore necessarily arbitrary. As such I do not find the argument that associations between question and answer are independently true of human knowledge. Bettina

My point is not that they select based off of test worthiness but that the answer they select to have the closest association with the question is determined solely by their in group.

In the context of what my father is saying, one can easily say that what he means is absolute in the exact same way that the basic equation 2 + 2 means 4. There can be no doubt that in both cases their meaning is absolute in identical fashion.

This kind of argumentation goes back to the discussion on Pluto in which boose and Darwin argued that there is something out there that is being measured while I argued that such distinction are uniquely human and therefore necessarily arbitrary. As such I do not find the argument that associations between question and answer are independently true of human knowledge.

]]> By: Bettina http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7775 Bettina Tue, 29 May 2007 17:18:48 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7775 THEY'RE AFTER ME.......... oh my god THEY’RE AFTER ME………. oh my god

]]> By: Bettina http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7774 Bettina Tue, 29 May 2007 17:11:56 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7774 what does that mean? My comment is awaiting moderation? what does that mean? My comment is awaiting moderation?

]]> By: Bettina http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7773 Bettina Tue, 29 May 2007 15:49:22 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7773 All that interests me here are stats (well, stats done by the ETS, but still). I am sure, Steve is familiar with the data, but again - take a look. http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/GRE/pdf/04-05_factors.pdf All that interests me here are stats (well, stats done by the ETS, but still). I am sure, Steve is familiar with the data, but again - take a look.

http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/GRE/pdf/04-05_factors.pdf

]]> By: steve http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7771 steve Tue, 29 May 2007 14:34:22 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7771 Good question. You can't tell the computerized version to not time you so I can't say. However i can say that i score consistenly higher (700-730) on the ETS written version. This is because i have much more control over the questions. Meaning i can spend more time on some and less time on others. Same for verbal. Good question. You can’t tell the computerized version to not time you so I can’t say. However i can say that i score consistenly higher (700-730) on the ETS written version. This is because i have much more control over the questions. Meaning i can spend more time on some and less time on others.

Same for verbal.

]]> By: Darwin http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7768 Darwin Tue, 29 May 2007 14:21:34 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2007/612#comment-7768 So what is your score on the practice tests when you give yourself unlimited time? So what is your score on the practice tests when you give yourself unlimited time?

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