Comments on: Protecting Feelings http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360 make it happen Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:42:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: steve http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19659 steve Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:33:33 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19659 Totally missing the point. Totally missing the point.

]]> By: Jamie http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19655 Jamie Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:22:44 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19655 The IRS actions are illegal. Since when can an IRS agent come to your house and search through your records without just cause? Since when do they do home visits? If you are not paying your taxes appropriately then you face the same penalties as everyone else... This is what your legistlature has decided. Your legislature has also argued for free speech and tried to protect it. Yet, you would rather have the state decide which free speech is appropriate.... Sort of sounds like gun laws.... The constitution guanrantees rights to carry arms, yet some folks would like the government to decide which arms that covers. The IRS actions are illegal. Since when can an IRS agent come to your house and search through your records without just cause? Since when do they do home visits?

If you are not paying your taxes appropriately then you face the same penalties as everyone else… This is what your legistlature has decided. Your legislature has also argued for free speech and tried to protect it. Yet, you would rather have the state decide which free speech is appropriate…. Sort of sounds like gun laws…. The constitution guanrantees rights to carry arms, yet some folks would like the government to decide which arms that covers.

]]> By: steve http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19643 steve Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:27:28 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19643 Lets say I go to Burger King and by myself Whopper. As I bite into it the beef patty I discover it's cold and the bun is stale. As a result I decide never to purchase food from Burger King again. Would you say my actions are coercive? Lets say that an IRS agent comes to my house. As he searches through my house he discovers I am not reporting all of my income. As a result he has me arrested and charged with tax evasion. Would you say his actions are coercive? Lets say I go to Burger King and by myself Whopper. As I bite into it the beef patty I discover it’s cold and the bun is stale. As a result I decide never to purchase food from Burger King again.

Would you say my actions are coercive?

Lets say that an IRS agent comes to my house. As he searches through my house he discovers I am not reporting all of my income. As a result he has me arrested and charged with tax evasion.

Would you say his actions are coercive?

]]> By: Dan http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19641 Dan Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:41:52 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19641 "Sigh…Still conflating providing funding with coercion." Your argument was that the government has the right to withhold funding for expressions of free speech that it finds distasteful according to political preferences, yes? If that is your argument, does that not lead to the conclusion that the federal government has the right to threaten to cut off funding to any institution that fails to crack down on this sort of 'racial harassment'? “Sigh…Still conflating providing funding with coercion.”

Your argument was that the government has the right to withhold funding for expressions of free speech that it finds distasteful according to political preferences, yes?

If that is your argument, does that not lead to the conclusion that the federal government has the right to threaten to cut off funding to any institution that fails to crack down on this sort of ‘racial harassment’?

]]> By: darwin http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19637 darwin Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:50:22 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19637 Do you actually mean 'force universities' or just 'deny funding'? And, who exactly tries to use the state to protect minorities from harmful speech? When things like this happen I usually think of it as being at a private institution. If you're reffering to hate-crimes legislation it's a bit of a different issue, although I agree those regulations are bad news. But when has the government actually been used/lobbied to discriminate against racist speech? Do you actually mean ‘force universities’ or just ‘deny funding’?
And, who exactly tries to use the state to protect minorities from harmful speech? When things like this happen I usually think of it as being at a private institution. If you’re reffering to hate-crimes legislation it’s a bit of a different issue, although I agree those regulations are bad news. But when has the government actually been used/lobbied to discriminate against racist speech?

]]> By: steve http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19630 steve Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:31:00 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19630 This post does not do a good job of separating private from public organizations. As a libertarian this private university is free to persecute any supposed racist within the mean of their institution. My larger point is directed at those that wish to use the state to protect minorities from "harmful" speech. That being said, the federal government has a say in public college policy via the school accepting federal funding. Whether I agree with this law, its completely in the states power to force universities to abandon these policies that blatantly violate citizens constitutional rights. This post does not do a good job of separating private from public organizations. As a libertarian this private university is free to persecute any supposed racist within the mean of their institution.

My larger point is directed at those that wish to use the state to protect minorities from “harmful” speech.

That being said, the federal government has a say in public college policy via the school accepting federal funding. Whether I agree with this law, its completely in the states power to force universities to abandon these policies that blatantly violate citizens constitutional rights.

]]> By: darwin http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19629 darwin Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:08:14 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19629 Does this mean you're also in favor of regulations on businesses preventing them from firing employees for the types of speech you want protected? If not, remember that the people who made this decision at Purdue weren't elected officials, and were most likely making their decisions as business decisions, to protect the name of the school with their liberal market and to shield themselves from legislation. My point is that you react to every problem by attacking the government, but that's simply not sufficient if you want to actually address this problem. This problem comes from the combination of an overly-pc popular culture and a highly litiginous society, neither of which the goernment is responsible for. Aside from not actively persecuting anyone for this type of speech, what specific actions do you want the government to take to protect it? Does this mean you’re also in favor of regulations on businesses preventing them from firing employees for the types of speech you want protected? If not, remember that the people who made this decision at Purdue weren’t elected officials, and were most likely making their decisions as business decisions, to protect the name of the school with their liberal market and to shield themselves from legislation.

My point is that you react to every problem by attacking the government, but that’s simply not sufficient if you want to actually address this problem. This problem comes from the combination of an overly-pc popular culture and a highly litiginous society, neither of which the goernment is responsible for. Aside from not actively persecuting anyone for this type of speech, what specific actions do you want the government to take to protect it?

]]> By: steve http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19628 steve Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:20:34 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19628 Sigh...Still <a href="http://enableate.com/steve/2007/790#comments" rel="nofollow">conflating</a> providing funding with coercion. Sigh…Still conflating providing funding with coercion.

]]> By: Jamie http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19627 Jamie Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:29:59 +0000 http://enableate.com/steve/2008/1360#comment-19627 For more on Steve's protection of free speech, please see his reaction to Ahmadinejad being allowed to speak on Columbia's campus. For more on Steve’s protection of free speech, please see his reaction to Ahmadinejad being allowed to speak on Columbia’s campus.

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